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	<description>Alexander Chee</description>
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		<title>By: bookfraud</title>
		<link>http://koreanish.com/2009/08/26/just-no/#comment-2092</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 22:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[and now, for something completely different (or at least a bit contrary):

while i think alex&#039;s advise is excellent, if i were the letter-writer, i would just offer some vague praise and criticism, because the &quot;author&quot; isn&#039;t going to listen to anything else. 

the key phrase in the original letter is &lt;b&gt;&quot;she wants to be taken seriously. Her ego is protected by a thick layer of arrogance (teachers, mentors and editors have nothing to offer her), and I’m afraid that if I give her an honest assessment she would push me away for good.&lt;/b&gt;

it doesn&#039;t sound like the novel-writer really wants to be a writer, but be praised to the heavens about her talent. i&#039;ve seen this person in writing workshops and elsewhere, and you wonder why they even bother letting others read their work.  they get too defensive and try to explain away their choices and mistakes; they seem more interested in defending their work than actually trying to improve it. if the friend she tells the truth about the awfulness of the novel, she loses her pal and doesn&#039;t really accomplish anything.

who knows? perhaps the novelist is an unrecognized genius. but i kinda doubt it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and now, for something completely different (or at least a bit contrary):</p>
<p>while i think alex&#8217;s advise is excellent, if i were the letter-writer, i would just offer some vague praise and criticism, because the &#8220;author&#8221; isn&#8217;t going to listen to anything else. </p>
<p>the key phrase in the original letter is <b>&#8220;she wants to be taken seriously. Her ego is protected by a thick layer of arrogance (teachers, mentors and editors have nothing to offer her), and I’m afraid that if I give her an honest assessment she would push me away for good.</b></p>
<p>it doesn&#8217;t sound like the novel-writer really wants to be a writer, but be praised to the heavens about her talent. i&#8217;ve seen this person in writing workshops and elsewhere, and you wonder why they even bother letting others read their work.  they get too defensive and try to explain away their choices and mistakes; they seem more interested in defending their work than actually trying to improve it. if the friend she tells the truth about the awfulness of the novel, she loses her pal and doesn&#8217;t really accomplish anything.</p>
<p>who knows? perhaps the novelist is an unrecognized genius. but i kinda doubt it.</p>
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		<title>By: News You Need</title>
		<link>http://koreanish.com/2009/08/26/just-no/#comment-2090</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 15:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] to say when you don&#8217;t like a good friend&#8217;s bad [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to say when you don&#8217;t like a good friend&#8217;s bad [...]</p>
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		<title>By: JenniferWriter</title>
		<link>http://koreanish.com/2009/08/26/just-no/#comment-2080</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 17:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have to agree about not critiquing something for a friend once it&#039;s been published.

I think of it this way: if you and a friend are getting dressed to go out and your friend asks you if her dress makes her look fat (and it really does), you tell her. That way she can change. If you&#039;re on the town and she is about to go talk to a cute guy and she asks you how her butt looks in her dress (ready to mutiny at any moment) you tell her it looks fantastic because more than anything at that moment she needs confidence. She can&#039;t change her dress anymore, she can only change the way she carries herself as she struts across the bar.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree about not critiquing something for a friend once it&#8217;s been published.</p>
<p>I think of it this way: if you and a friend are getting dressed to go out and your friend asks you if her dress makes her look fat (and it really does), you tell her. That way she can change. If you&#8217;re on the town and she is about to go talk to a cute guy and she asks you how her butt looks in her dress (ready to mutiny at any moment) you tell her it looks fantastic because more than anything at that moment she needs confidence. She can&#8217;t change her dress anymore, she can only change the way she carries herself as she struts across the bar.</p>
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		<title>By: koreanish</title>
		<link>http://koreanish.com/2009/08/26/just-no/#comment-2079</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 16:14:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I must check that out!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must check that out!</p>
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		<title>By: moonrat</title>
		<link>http://koreanish.com/2009/08/26/just-no/#comment-2076</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 16:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Much, I think, is in delivery. You, for example, must excel at giving smart, useful criticism, even if it&#039;s hard criticism (otherwise your former student wouldn&#039;t have said what they did). 

In this, you are lucky. I think I am much less talented at giving hard criticism (especially complicated considering, erm, what I do for a living).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Much, I think, is in delivery. You, for example, must excel at giving smart, useful criticism, even if it&#8217;s hard criticism (otherwise your former student wouldn&#8217;t have said what they did). </p>
<p>In this, you are lucky. I think I am much less talented at giving hard criticism (especially complicated considering, erm, what I do for a living).</p>
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		<title>By: Marie</title>
		<link>http://koreanish.com/2009/08/26/just-no/#comment-2075</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 04:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, Alex. I&#039;m afraid I&#039;ve broken both your rules! But, seriously, I do agree with you, particularly if the person giving advice is a writer--I mean a real writer. Would any other expert in any other field give a bullsh*t answer? 

Have you seen the brouhaha surrounding Po Bronson&#039;s new book? Among the subjects he tackles: the over-praising of children. His point; kids know when they are being lied to and when the praise is false. This can&#039;t be good for society. It can&#039;t be good for adults either.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, Alex. I&#8217;m afraid I&#8217;ve broken both your rules! But, seriously, I do agree with you, particularly if the person giving advice is a writer&#8211;I mean a real writer. Would any other expert in any other field give a bullsh*t answer? </p>
<p>Have you seen the brouhaha surrounding Po Bronson&#8217;s new book? Among the subjects he tackles: the over-praising of children. His point; kids know when they are being lied to and when the praise is false. This can&#8217;t be good for society. It can&#8217;t be good for adults either.</p>
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		<title>By: jadepark</title>
		<link>http://koreanish.com/2009/08/26/just-no/#comment-2073</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 19:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hear you Elizabeth.  I sensed the same--and there are writers like that everywhere...who write for a different purpose than to create art.  And I guess in that case, I may oblige them with silence...if they walk away, like Alex says below..then I&#039;d welcome it.  :P]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hear you Elizabeth.  I sensed the same&#8211;and there are writers like that everywhere&#8230;who write for a different purpose than to create art.  And I guess in that case, I may oblige them with silence&#8230;if they walk away, like Alex says below..then I&#8217;d welcome it.  <img src='http://s2.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: jadepark</title>
		<link>http://koreanish.com/2009/08/26/just-no/#comment-2072</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jadepark]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 19:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for saying what needed to be said and what wasn&#039;t said in that other blog post.  There was one friend/instructor of mine who ripped my story apart...now I know you&#039;re advising that one not &quot;rip apart&quot; story, but in my case, it was exactly what I needed at that time in my learning as a writer.  I needed that wake up call.  It made me cry, and I found myself at the prof&#039;s office hours to ask for clarification, to beg for encouragement...and I would not otherwise have bothered to go for further advice, had I been given middling feedback.

He helped me in office hours with encouragement, and my writing was better for it.  I am indebted to him forever for that sharp change in writing direction.

I don&#039;t need that kind of slashing feedback anymore (though I can handle it, too), but what I tell my friends is this: If I had a booger in my nose, you would TELL ME, right...?  So if my writing has boogers all over it, please tell me, don&#039;t let it walk around like that.

Or because I love metaphors, I also say, if my ass looks fat in a particular pair of jeans you would TELL me, but then you&#039;d ALSO point me lovingly to a pair of more flattering pants, too.

Okay I&#039;ll stop here.

Thank you Alex.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for saying what needed to be said and what wasn&#8217;t said in that other blog post.  There was one friend/instructor of mine who ripped my story apart&#8230;now I know you&#8217;re advising that one not &#8220;rip apart&#8221; story, but in my case, it was exactly what I needed at that time in my learning as a writer.  I needed that wake up call.  It made me cry, and I found myself at the prof&#8217;s office hours to ask for clarification, to beg for encouragement&#8230;and I would not otherwise have bothered to go for further advice, had I been given middling feedback.</p>
<p>He helped me in office hours with encouragement, and my writing was better for it.  I am indebted to him forever for that sharp change in writing direction.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t need that kind of slashing feedback anymore (though I can handle it, too), but what I tell my friends is this: If I had a booger in my nose, you would TELL ME, right&#8230;?  So if my writing has boogers all over it, please tell me, don&#8217;t let it walk around like that.</p>
<p>Or because I love metaphors, I also say, if my ass looks fat in a particular pair of jeans you would TELL me, but then you&#8217;d ALSO point me lovingly to a pair of more flattering pants, too.</p>
<p>Okay I&#8217;ll stop here.</p>
<p>Thank you Alex.</p>
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		<title>By: Jane Kokernak</title>
		<link>http://koreanish.com/2009/08/26/just-no/#comment-2070</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:13:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like your reply to the letter writer, Alex. That&#039;s how a true friend, thoughtful reader, and experienced writer would treat the work of another friend/writer, even if the writer were a novice.

However, I don&#039;t know if the letter writer, who calls him/her self &quot;A Writer&#039;s Friend,&quot; is much of a friend to begin with. S/he sort of reminds me of someone I sat next to at a dinner once, who was telling me about her various friends, and classifying them as &quot;real&quot; friends and &quot;pity&quot; friends, the pity friends apparently being the people she only hung around with because she felt sorry for them. I think A Writer&#039;s Friend is the same kind of person, and is therefore not even an actual friend to begin with.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like your reply to the letter writer, Alex. That&#8217;s how a true friend, thoughtful reader, and experienced writer would treat the work of another friend/writer, even if the writer were a novice.</p>
<p>However, I don&#8217;t know if the letter writer, who calls him/her self &#8220;A Writer&#8217;s Friend,&#8221; is much of a friend to begin with. S/he sort of reminds me of someone I sat next to at a dinner once, who was telling me about her various friends, and classifying them as &#8220;real&#8221; friends and &#8220;pity&#8221; friends, the pity friends apparently being the people she only hung around with because she felt sorry for them. I think A Writer&#8217;s Friend is the same kind of person, and is therefore not even an actual friend to begin with.</p>
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		<title>By: tericoyne</title>
		<link>http://koreanish.com/2009/08/26/just-no/#comment-2061</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 23:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a writer I have learned to be clear with my readers what I am looking for and yes, there are times when I need support and I ask for it, but most of the time I am looking for real feedback and while I am happy to hear about what works I am anxious to know what doesn&#039;t work.  I often attach a list of questions (or my own concerns) to give the reader a jumping off point to get into it with me.  I&#039;m rarely disappointed.

As a reader, I ask the writer ahead of time what they are looking for (in essence I try to find out WHY they want me to read it) as I have discovered that quite often they are asking for my feedback but what they really want is for me to pass it on to my agent.  So I&#039;m clear, this is what I&#039;ll do if you ask me to read this, if that&#039;s not what you are looking for I will cheer you on when you get published.

And like you I NEVER show my work to anyone I&#039;m involved with or -- my mom.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a writer I have learned to be clear with my readers what I am looking for and yes, there are times when I need support and I ask for it, but most of the time I am looking for real feedback and while I am happy to hear about what works I am anxious to know what doesn&#8217;t work.  I often attach a list of questions (or my own concerns) to give the reader a jumping off point to get into it with me.  I&#8217;m rarely disappointed.</p>
<p>As a reader, I ask the writer ahead of time what they are looking for (in essence I try to find out WHY they want me to read it) as I have discovered that quite often they are asking for my feedback but what they really want is for me to pass it on to my agent.  So I&#8217;m clear, this is what I&#8217;ll do if you ask me to read this, if that&#8217;s not what you are looking for I will cheer you on when you get published.</p>
<p>And like you I NEVER show my work to anyone I&#8217;m involved with or &#8212; my mom.</p>
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